Friday, March 20, 2015

A Thirty Year Conversation Comes To An End

Some things just take time, I guess, because after some thirty years of talk — Can you imagine talking about one subject for thirty years? — about The Gays and marriage, members of the Presbyterian Church have finally decided to change their constitutional definition of marriage to include same-sex marriage.

Thirty years! I could say, “Better late than never, but thirty years!”

The church’s General Assembly recommended the change last year, and just this week the 171 regional presbyteries have agreed to follow suit; the new wording goes from marriage being between “a man and a woman” to being between “two people, traditionally a man and a woman.”

I kinda wish they could have left that last part out because in another thirty years marriage might also be a tradition of two same-sex people.

Still, it’s not all roses for the Presbyterian Church; it has been losing members as it shifts to the left and equality, though, to be fair, most religions are seeing their numbers diminish as they progress toward equality.

The first wave of departures came back in 2011 when the presbyteries began allowing gay men and women to be ordained as pastors, elders and deacons, but since most of those who left were of the more conservative ilk, it was only a matter of time for that thirty year discussion to finally come to an end and for the church to allow same-sex marriage.

My take? Meh. I mean, it’s not like we need the churches to allow same-sex marriage; marriage is not a religious institution, though it can follow a religious ceremony. Marriage is a civil institution and so churches, whether for marriage equality or against it, don’t really have much say in the legality of the matter.

Still for those same-sex couples who follow a particular faith, this is a welcome sign; and for those folks who follow a particular faith that is still dragging its heels on the issues of LGBT equality, maybe now’s the time to shift from your current church to a more progressive one.

Just sayin’.
via NYT


Ron said...

Baby steps Bob, baby steps especially for big, self important institution like the Presbyterian Church.

Ron said...

Love the new layout of your blog Bob. You're inspiring me!

the dogs' mother said...

My goodness! Well, bless their hearts.

Professor Chaos said...

Welcome to the 20th Century, Presbyterians. Now try to catch up with us in the 21st!

Biki Honko said...

It's a start, a slow, poorly worded start, but a beginning nether the less.

Will J said...

Awkward wording, but the big shift is that it enables the community to come together to witness and support the couple in a relationship that shows an outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace.

Raybeard said...

Suppose we ought to be grateful for those crumbs, but at least it's far quicker than the R.C. Church which, by the time their turn comes to accepting the inevitable, there'll have been enough time for each of us to have been re-incarnated ten times over.

Sadie J said...

Although I consider myself non-religious now, I grew up in the Presbyterian church and was even a deaconess. So it makes me happy to see this.

Helen Lashbrook said...

The far right of the Church of England have got into bed with the Roman Catholics; the concession....married priests are allowed to stay married. Is that because they would have to get a divorce?