Thursday, November 29, 2012

Michael David Dunn Killed Jordan Davis For Playing His Music Too Loudly

There are all kinds of sayings that make no sense at all, and there’s at least one that can outright drive me up a wall.

A watched pot never boils. Really? Never? Never ever boils?
All in a day's work. Um, okay. Whatever.

But the one that gets my goat--Oh yeah, That really gets my goat is another one I don't understand--is the one that goes Guns don't kill people, people kill people. It should probably be rewritten as Guns don't kill people; people use guns to kill people.

It should have been a lovely day for Michael David Dunn. He was in Jacksonville, Florida last week for his son’s wedding, when afterward he decided to stop at a convenience store with his girlfriend. He parked beside an SUV with four teenagers sitting inside, and, as teenagers are apt to do--I remember because I was a teenager once--they were playing their music very loudly.

And Michael David Dunn didn't like it. After his girlfriend went into the store, Dunn made a comment to the teenagers about their music being too loud because, you know, it's his place to tell other people how to live their lives. Well, an argument between Dunn and the teenagers ensued, and then Michael David Dunn, a gun collector, pulled out his gun and fired into the SUV between eight to nine times. 

Two shots hit and killed 17-year-old Jordan Davis.

Michael David Dunn's girlfriend came back to the car with the wine they needed and Dunn drove off, telling his girlfriend that he had “fired at these kids.” They continued on, and it wasn't until later, as they sat in their hotel room, probably drinking the wine the girlfriend had purchased while Michael David Dunn was shooting at teenagers, did they learn from a news report that someone had died during the shooting.

Naturally, as people do, Michael David Dunn, and his girlfriend, immediately checked out of their hotel room and went home.

Unluckily for this murderer, a witness to the shooting took down Dunn’s license plate number, which, on Saturday, helped police find Dunn’s house, where he was then arrested. Dunn told police officers he shot because “he felt threatened and that is the reason he took action.”

The music was too loud.

Now, how disgusting are these people? Michael David Dunn, for deciding that the best way to end an argument with argument with teenagers over their musical tastes and volume level would be to shoot at them? Or, maybe his girlfriend, who, after learning that Dunn had opened fire on kids in a parking lot, decided the best option would be happy hour back at the hotel?

Yes, those two morons are disgusting, but let’s add to the mix one Robin Lemonidis, Dunn's attorney, who issued this statement about his client:
"It will be very clear that Mr. Dunn acted very responsibly and as any responsible firearms owner would have acted under these circumstances."
He acted responsibly to the playing of loud music by pulling out a gun and shooting at people, killing a seventeen-year-old boy. This is responsible? This is how adults act? Civilized human beings? Or raging lunatics?

There is some thought that Michael David Dunn, murderer, will use that old chestnut, the Stand Your Ground Defense--much like the one used by George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case, also in Florida. But, Jacksonville Attorney Gene Nichols believes that will be a tough defense to make in court:
"Mr. Dunn is going to have to answer the question, 'Why did you not call the sheriff's office? If you are reasonably protecting yourself, why did you leave the scene, get in the car, and the next day, flee the jurisdiction of Duval County?' … There's no indication that Jordan or anyone else in that car had a gun, there's no indication that they were any threat to Mr. Dunn."
This latest shooting death of unarmed teenagers by gun-toting lunatics in Florida comes just a week after a Florida task force found that the “Stand Your Ground” law is mostly fine as is and recommended only small changes.

So, I guess in Florida, if you don't like the volume of someone's music, you may consider that a threat and pull out a firearm and murder a defenseless human being.

Guns don't kill people; Michael David Dunn used a gun to kill a person.

And he needs to go to jail for a long time. And his girlfriend needs a jail cell of her own, as well.



Anonymous said...

It's just plain rude to play loud music around others who have no choice in what is being played or how loudly. Furthermore, with the loud music blasting, it's very hard to have a civil discussion to resolve the matter. Wars have been waged over simple rudeness. It's an overreaction on his part but certainly not hard to understand. The only other choice he had was to let these guys treat him this way. You can't call the police on this. Enough is enough. I'm looking to see if he has a legal defense fund set up so that I can donate.

Bob said...

Thanks for bringing the crazy Anonymous.
What's next? Shooting someone because they got the last box of Cheerios at the store?

R.J. said...

Of course it's rude to play loud music. That's why I crank up N.W.A. and Nas once in awhile to let my neighbors know I'm home. ;-)

On a more serious note, I'm surprised some a-hole in FLA hasn't shot someone for voting for Obama and using this senseless law to defend themselves.

the dogs' mother said...

When I got to the attorney's statement I scrolled back up, yup this happened in Florida.
It really does take a village to raise a child and people need to try and remember that teenagers are still very young and do stupid things like playing their music too loud which, I expect is against some ordinance. Better thing to do is make a note of the plate and file a complaint. Or just roll your eyes and move your car. Nowhere should a gun enter into the equation.

Bob said...

@the dog's mother
How simple to just move your car and then a young man wouldn't be dead.

anne marie in philly said...

again, the angry white guy killing a defenseless black kid. when's it gonna stop, people?

Anonymous said...

Maybe he was drunk. Hope someone has video/pics/witnesses from the wedding and afterwards. That might explain a lot. Like why he went on a rampage and why he avoided the cops.

JBeech said...

Regardless of what this guy had in his mind, I find it insulting for his attorney to say that Dunn did what "any responsible firearm owner would have under the same circumstance".

As a concealed carrier and an active advocate of 2nd Amendment and self defense rights, I call BS on the lawyer. Do I think that Dunn felt threatened and may have been in reasonable fear of his life? No idea. Haven't seen any evidence and would really like to see the security camera's before deciding what the situation was like.

So if I don't know if he was in reasonable fear for his life, how can I say it bull**** that he did what any reasonable firearm owner would have? Because a reasonable firearm owner would not have been in the confrontation to begin with - at least none that I know.

As a concealed carrier I have a responsibility to de-escalate a situation and extricate myself from a situation if I can. It's not a legal responsibility, it's a moral one. I don't carry to be tough; I carry to defend myself, my friends, and my family - that's it.

A friend of mine wrote a very good piece on it discussing the mindset of a carrier from his point of view. Before you clump us all together, take a moment to read it:

designing wally said...

Who's the ball-less, nameless troll?

Oh well, Pigs of a feather, one supposes....

anne marie in philly said...


Anonymous said...

Racist pig!!!

Anonymous said...

Personally, I think it probably had a lot to do with the election. This election has brought out so much racism and sheer hatred in people, especially in the south and bible belt region. I sincerely hope they fry this pr*ck, and George Zimmerman, too.

Anonymous said...

What happen to respecting others around you??
I've been sitting in traffic and 4 cars behind me some kid with a very loud system was shaking my car! You cannot hear anything! Not even an emergency vehicle!! Many times this has happened. That's why there are noise ordinances in certain places.
Why is everyone calling racism out on this??? Idiots come in ALL colors! That rap crap blasting at 150dbs is fkn annoying. I bet there's a good chance his rap song was about capping mofo's and fkn hoes.
Dunn may have felt threatened. Fight or Flight. Maybe he did see a gun?? Maybe his homies ditched da gauge befo' the 5-0 shownt up??
It's sad that a young man has lost his life and I would prefer it went differently. You know...If I was blasting some Christian speach on my srereo, anyone would bet I was a raging religious fanatic. I'm just sayin', be careful what you represent yourself as to the public that knows nothing about you.

Anonymous said...

Teenagers were parked before Dunn and his girlfriend came along
His girlfriend went in to shop; Dunn stayed with the car
Dunn decided not to stay in the car or with the car
He approached total strangers asking them to turn the music down in their car.
Young or old in all races and creeds, the chances are there would have been an argument of some kind.
He created a threat for myself and shot his way out of his creation.
A law abiding citizens would stay around after a shooting.

Anonymous said...

Please do not believe a word his lawyer says. No, I repeat, NO responsible firearms owner would have acted that way and he is certainly not a responsible firearms owner. A responsible firearms owner would have immediately reported the shooting and they would have kept an eye on the vehicle to make sure the "shotgun" didn't disappear.

This shooting has nothing to do with Stand Your Ground. If he successfully can argue that he was in a Stand Your Ground situation, then someone needs their head examined. I predict justice will prevail here and Dunn is going to prison for quite some time.

Anonymous said...

Are you My Son is in the Army ave he fights for ignorant people like you!!! He also loves his LOUD MUSIC!!!! He had NO RIGHT TO SHOT AT THEM!!!!!!! Enough is enough WHAT US THIS WORLD COMING TO????

Anonymous said...

Your an idiot! Someone was killed because they were sitting minding their oen business playin music loud!! Be that as it may that loud music is annoying or rude but WHO GIVES A SHIT! Go on about your business and pay it no mind!! You dont shoot someone over it!!! sad what our world is coming to!!

Vaughn Withers said...

Please disregard the idiots that make any mention that this guy was justified. He came from a wedding, where I BET there was some loud music being played. I just imagine this story had a black guy walked up and shot up the wedding because he didn't like the loudness or the content of the music. How would that had worked for him as a defense?

Anonymous said...

Michael David Dunn, 45, claims he was threatened with a shotgun and feared for his life during a Friday night confrontation with 17-year-old Jordan Davis over his car stereo’s volume.

There you have it. The kids pulled a shotgun on him.

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Anonymous said...

He claims they had a shotgun. Since when do we take the word of someone who just killed another person? I am a bit mystified myself at people who are taking this guy's side. Who the heck fires a weapon severa times and then just leaves? Only criminals come to my mind. People question why race comes into this. So I'm wondering if it had been four white kids blaring hillbilly music, would this have ended the same way? Would he have imagined that they were a gang and a gun was pointed at him? I doubt it. And what kind of idiot discharges a weapon around gas pumps? If this guy is a responsible gun owner, I shudder to think what an irresponsible gun owner would do. And why would anyone want to donate to that Dunn's defense fund or think that what he did is excusable because oh my goodness, we can't handle people doing irritable things. If people shot other people because they were annoyed by something, the whole country would be eradicated.

Anonymous said...

I don't like loud music either but no way am I going to confront another driver. I just realize that a good idea is to invest in hearing aids because one day, lots of these kids are going to be deaf and will all be buying them. No need to shoot someone though.

D.G. said...

As an attorney who practices criminal defense law, and is licensed in two U.S. States (neither of which has the "stand-your-ground" law) and the United Kingdom, here is my two-cents' worth.

The law of self defense has historically been that you may use reasonable and necessary force in the circumstances. Unless you are faced with a gun being pointed straight at your face, in which case you have a split second decision to make to save your own life, anything beyond that is not reasonable and/or necessary. Particularly not firing nine rounds. A reasonable person would not react in this way. Even subtracting the objective element, as Florida law does, it is extremely unlikely that this defendant's defense will be successful, because of the manner and circumstances. Florida's insane self-defense laws are effectively a license to kill. They remove the objective factor from the test for self-defense, allowing people to shoot to kill if and when they themselves (the defendant is the sole judge, jury and executioner, literally) feel in imminent danger of their life. It is extremely difficult to ascertain the veracity of a subjective feeling. Hence the reasonable person test has been used for decades, and centuries in common law jurisdictions such as the UK. We should all be scared if this insanely expansive self-defense law remains in force.
Luckily, I don't reside in Florida, and I refuse to ever go there because of their crazy gun laws. But I feel for innocent civilians who are at the whim and mercy of gun-carrying people who can flip like a switch and then claim they felt in danger, when really there was no actual danger, and a reasonable person would not have reacted in the extreme way they did. It's a little late to say "oops, I made a mistake" when it's someone's life you have just taken.

Anonymous said...

The high frequency sound unbearable for a human can not only damage your hearing but also get you crazy.

Anonymous said...

Coward is the word I get mad all the time when I see young and older people do the ignorant things they do everyday but I don't want to shoot and kill them, this man needs to go to prison.