Tuesday, July 14, 2015

Candace Cameron Bure Defends Discrimination Because ... God

I don’t watch The View regularly, though I do catch a snippet of it on occasion and cringe at what passes for intelligent discussion, or different “views,” as it were. And I didn’t see this exchange on TV though it came to me via Facebook and a simple Google search, so let’s dig in …

Candace Cameron Bure is known for three things … well, two things really. She was on Full House decades back, and will be on the Full House reboot coming soon to a channel near you, and is the sister of Kirk Cameron, another former child star turned religious wingnut who has taken his faith and his ideas about faith to a whole new low.

Candace is also a Christian, just so you know, and on the show recently she and fellow child star, and co-host, Raven-Symoné, got into it over that Oregon bakery that was fined $135,000 for refusing to bake a cake for a lesbian wedding.

Raven called it discrimination:
“To me, it's the same exact thing that they did back in the day, saying that black people couldn't do certain things because 'it's my religious belief.’”
Candace vehemently disagreed:
“I don’t think this is discrimination at all. This is about freedom of association, it’s about constitutional rights, it’s about First Amendment rights. We do have the right to still choose who we associate with. They didn’t refuse to bake the cake because of their sexual orientation, in fact they’ve baked cakes for them previously. They had a problem with the actual ceremony, because that, the ceremony is what conflicted with their religious beliefs.”
And we’ll stop … it’s not discrimination? Telling a client at your business that was opened to serve the public that you will not bake a cake for their wedding ceremony because you don’t believe in same-sex marriage is discrimination against The Gays because, unless I have this whole gay thing figured out wrong, the only people having same-sex marriages are The Gays; which means discrimination if you refuse to bake my cake.

And, as Whoopi said, putting it quite simply:
“But were they invited to the ceremony?”
And that answer would be ‘No.’ And I would ask Candace Cameron Bure how she might feel if she went to a bakery and asked for a cake and was denied service because she’s a Christian; is that an okay thing to do? I mean, if we can all deny services to anyone we choose if we just decide that we don’t like them, or their lifestyle or the color of their skin or their faith, then where are we? Who are we?

And it brings up this meme which made its way around Facebook, which, on its face, might seem kinda ridiculous, but let the idea sink in for a spell:

You are a baker, you bake cakes. I am a client; I order a cake for my same-sex wedding. Does the baking of the cake mean you have celebrated my wedding? Does it mean you have condoned it, partaken in it, been a part of it? See, if that’s the case, then every single business owner who provides any kind of service, is part of the act that results from the purchase.

As would be the case with a gun shop owner who sold me a gun and then I shot someone. That owner, by the very nature of the Bure’s, and the baker’s train of thought, took part in what I did with my purchase.

If we used that idiotic logic that Bure spouted; luckily, we don’t. We simply ask that people be treated equally, and that people of faith, who have a right to their faith, don’t interject that faith into every nook and cranny of the world, because then religious folk can deny The Gays any and every service anywhere in the world and just because they cry God we have to endure the discrimination.

It ended, as this conversation does from those with a religion-only POV, with Bure saying that we should really just respect all views; except, she doesn’t think those Christian bakers need to respect the views of that gay couple who just wanted a cake.

And so Raven shut her down with this:
“But I also think that if you’re going to be a religious party, or if you’re going to be somebody that believes in an almighty being, you should be respectful from the get go.”
Mic drop; because I hear all these Christians demanding respect for their beliefs while denying The Gays respect for being gay. And here’s just one more thing that Bure, with all her opinions and her faith, behind her, does not understand:

The United States Constitution protects freedom of religion, but it does not protect those who use their religion to deny equal protections to others.

In your home you can do and say and discriminate all you want, but if you open a business to the public then its open to the public, all of the public, and in Oregon its quite clear that you cannot discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation and if these women were denied service because they are having a same-sex wedding ceremony, which they are having because they are of the same sexual orientation, then the bakers broke the law. 


the dogs' mother said...

Take it another step - which someone actually proposed in
WA - we have a number of really rural communities. When asked
if an isolated grocery store could refuse to sell food to gay people a
legislative aide said it was no big deal - the gay people could
grow their own food.

anne marie in philly said...

@TDM - WTeverlovinF?????

would someone PLEASE put some duct tape over that stoopid bitch's mouth? (bure not raven)

Debbie said...

UGH. I am so tired of these people talking about rights rights rights and denying everyone else of THEIR rights. I'm going to bed.